0708-23 NY Times Crossword 8 Jul 23, Saturday

Constructed by: Brandon Koppy
Edited by: Will Shortz

Today’s Theme: None

Bill’s time: 12m 35s

Bill’s errors: 0

Today’s Wiki-est Amazonian Googlies

Across

1 Milk duds? : NURSING BRA

“Duds” is an informal word meaning “clothing”. The term comes from the word “dudde” that was used around 1300 as the name for a cloak.

11 Fictional group led by a Dark Lord : SITH

The Sith are characters in the “Star Wars” universe who use the “dark side” of “the Force”, and as such are the antithesis of the Jedi Knights. Members of the Sith use the title “Darth” before their name, as in Darth Vader. The last made of the six “Star Wars” movies is called “Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith”.

Palpatine is the Dark Lord of the Sith in the “Star Wars” universe. He is also known as “Darth Sidious” and “the Emperor”. In most of the films in the series, Palpatine is played by Scottish actor Ian McDiarmid. In “The Empire Strikes Back”, he was actually played by a woman. Palpatine was portrayed physically by the wife of special makeup effects artist Rick Baker, and voiced by New Zealand actor Clive Revill.

15 Setting for some high school experimentation : SCIENCE LAB

Our term “laboratory”, often shortened to “lab”, comes from the Medieval Latin word “laboratorium” meaning “place for labor, work”. This in turn comes from the Latin verb “laborare” meaning “to work”.

19 J.J. or T.J. of the N.F.L. : WATT

J.J. Watt is an American football defensive end who was drafted by the Houston Texans in 2011. Watt was the first player in the NFL to record two 20+ sack seasons in a career. J.J.’s younger brother is Derek Watt, a fullback for the LA Chargers.

20 Mount seen from Reggio Calabria : ETNA

Italy is home to three active volcanoes:

  • Stromboli (in the Tyrrhenian Sea, off the north coast of Sicily)
  • Vesuvius (overlooking Naples)
  • Etna (on the island of Sicily)

21 Targets of reflexology : FEET

Reflexology is an alternative medicine that involves the application of pressure to specific zones on the feet, hands and ears in order to effect a physical change in the body. The basic idea behind reflexology is that every part of the body is reflected in a zone on the soles of the feet or palms of the hand.

27 Escape room? : GARAGE

The Ford Escape is an SUV that was developed jointly with Mazda and introduced in the 2001 model year. The Mazda version of the same vehicle is known as the Tribute.

29 Longtime celebrity gossip show : E! NEWS

E! Entertainment Television started out in 1987 as Movietime, and hired on-air hosts such as Greg Kinnear and Paula Abdul. It was renamed in 1990 to E! Entertainment Television, underscoring the focus on Hollywood gossip and the like.

34 Band whose debut album, “Murmur,” was Rolling Stone’s 1983 Album of the Year : REM

R.E.M. was a rock band from Athens, Georgia that formed in 1980. Apparently, the name “R.E.M.” was chosen randomly from a dictionary.

35 Top spot, in brief : CEO

Chief executive officer (CEO)

37 Snack for a pangolin : ANT

The pangolin is also known as the scaly anteater. It is the only mammal that has a layer of protective scales made from keratin that covers the skin. Pangolins are highly prized by hunters, for their meat and their armor. They are in danger of extinction, and yet there is no more highly-trafficked species on the planet.

38 Ranch alternative : CAESAR DRESSING

The caesar salad was created by restaurateur Caesar Cardini at the Hotel Caesar’s in Tijuana, Mexico. The original recipe called for whole lettuce leaves that were to be lifted up by the stem and eaten with the fingers.

Ranch dressing has been the best-selling salad dressing in the country since 1992. The recipe was developed by Steve Henson who introduced it in the fifties to guests on his dude ranch, the Hidden Valley Ranch in Northern California. His ranch dressing became so popular that he opened a factory to produce packets of ranch seasoning that could be mixed with mayonnaise and buttermilk. Henson sold the brand for $8 million in 1972.

44 Guitarist Carlos : SANTANA

Carlos Santana is a Mexican-American rock guitar player. He is famous for heading the band called Santana who melded rock music with Latin and African themes.

47 Syst. in which making an “L” with the thumb and index finger and raising the pinkie means “I love you” : ASL

American Sign Language (ASL)

48 Musical figure in Dungeons & Dragons : BARD

Dungeons & Dragons (D&D, DND) is a complex role-playing game (RPG) introduced in 1974 by Tactical Studies Rules Incorporated (TSR). Dungeons & Dragons was probably the first of the modern role-playing games to be developed, and the most successful. It is still played by lots of people today, including my youngest son …

51 Video game hurdle : BOSS

In the world of video gaming, a significantly strong computer-controlled opponent is referred to as a boss. A fight against a boss is known as a boss battle.

55 “The Big Lebowski” protagonist, with “the” : … DUDE

“The Big Lebowski” is a 1998 comedy directed by Joel and Ethan Coen, and starring Jeff Bridges in the title role. The film’s script is loosely based on the Raymond Chandler novel “The Big Sleep”. I thought “The Big Lebowski” was just “okay” though …

59 Apt laptop choice for a tennis pro? : ACER

Acer is a Taiwanese company that I visited a couple of times when I was in the electronics business. I was very impressed back then with the company’s dedication to quality, although I have heard that things haven’t gone so well in recent years …

61 Hankerings : YENS

The word “yen”, meaning “urge”, has been around in English since the very early 1900s. It comes from the earlier word “yin” imported from Chinese, which was used in English to describe an intense craving for opium.

62 Little surprises in computer games, e.g. : EASTER EGGS

In a film, book, computer program (or even a crossword!), an “Easter egg” is a hidden message or inside joke that is left intentionally during production. The term “Easter egg” is used for such a device as it evokes the idea of an Easter egg hunt. You can check out thousands of such Easter eggs at www.eeggs.com.

Down

1 Link warning : NSFW

The abbreviation “NSFW” stands for “not safe/suitable for work”. It’s Internet slang used to describe online content that is best not viewed at work.

2 Alma mater for Jackie Robinson, in brief : UCLA

Jackie Robinson Stadium is the baseball stadium owned by UCLA that is home field for the UCLA Bruins. Located off-campus, the stadium was constructed using funds donated by Hoyt Pardee. Pardee and Jackie Robinson were classmates who graduated from UCLA in 1941.

5 Ding for a QB : INT

In football, if a quarterback’s (QB’s) pass ends up in the hands of a cornerback (CB), then that’s an interception (INT).

6 Base fig. : NCO

Non-commissioned officer (NCO)

7 Holder of very small blueprints : GENE

A gene is a section of a chromosome that is responsible for a particular characteristic in an organism. For example, one gene may determine eye color and another balding pattern. We have two copies of each gene, one from each of our parents, with each copy known as an allele.

23 One taking a lode off? : ORE CART

A lode is a metal ore deposit that’s found between two layers of rock or in a fissure. The mother lode is the principal deposit in a mine, usually of gold or silver. “Mother lode” is probably a translation of “veta madre”, an expression used in mining in Mexico.

26 Archenemy : NEMESIS

Nemesis was a Greek goddess, the goddess of retribution. Her role was to make pay those individuals who were either haughty or arrogant. In modern parlance, one’s nemesis (plural “nemeses”) is one’s sworn enemy, often someone who is the exact opposite in character but someone who still shares some important characteristics. A nemesis is often someone one cannot seem to beat in competition.

30 {T, H, I, S}, in mathematics : SET

In mathematics, a set is defined as a collection of distinct objects. Remember those Venn diagrams at school? Each of the circles in a Venn diagram represents a set.

31 Ragù, e.g. : MEAT SAUCE

Bolognese sauce is a meat-based sauce originating from Bologna in Italy, hence the name. The recipe is usually referred to as “ragù alla bolognese” in Italian, or simply “ragù”. Note that the Ragú brand of sauces introduced in North America in 1937 takes its name from the same source (pun … sauce!). However, the brand name uses the wrong accent (“Ragú” instead of “Ragù”), which drives a pedant like me crazy ..

34 Company acquired by G.E. in 1986 : RCA

RCA was founded in 1919 as the Radio Corporation of America, and as a wholly-owned subsidiary of General Electric (GE). GE divested RCA in 1932, and then reacquired the company in 1986. Today, RCA is just a brand name owned by Sony Music.

39 Independent in Congress beginning in 1991 : SANDERS

Bernie Sanders has served as a US Senator from Vermont since 2007. Sanders often describes himself as a democratic socialist, and used to appear on the ballot as an independent. Prior to joining the Democratic Party in 2015, Sanders had been the longest-serving independent in the history of the US Congress.

46 Pact replaced by the U.S.M.C.A. in 2020 : NAFTA

The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was a treaty between Canada, Mexico and the United States. When NAFTA came into force in 1994, it set up the largest free trade zone in the world. It was replaced by the US-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) in 2020, an agreement that is often referred to as NAFTA 2.0 because it largely maintains the provisions in the original NAFTA treaty.

48 Party time, informally : B-DAY

Birthday (b-day)

50 Actress Amanda : PEET

Actress Amanda Peet studied acting with the celebrated Uta Hagen at Columbia University. Peet has appeared in a number of successful films including “The Whole Nine Yards” and “Syriana”. I remember her best from what I thought was a great TV show (but no one seemed to agree!) called “Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip”.

52 Man’s name that becomes a popular toy brand if you move the first letter to the end : OLEG

Lego is manufactured by the Lego Group, a privately held company headquartered in Billund, Denmark. The company was founded by a carpenter called Ole Kirk Christiansen in 1934 and the now-famous plastic interlocking blocks were introduced in 1949. The blocks were originally sold under the name “Automatic Binding Bricks” but I think “Lego” is easier to remember! The name “Lego” comes from the Danish term “leg godt” meaning “play well”.

53 Smeltery waste : SLAG

The better ores are processed in a blast furnace, to extract the metal. The waste from this process is called “slag”. Slag does contain some residual metal and it can be processed further in a slag furnace to extract the balance. Slag furnaces also accept lower-quality ores as a raw material.

54 Jazz singer Sylvia : SYMS

Sylvia Syms was a jazz singer from New York. Frank Sinatra called Syms the “world’s greatest saloon singer”, and gave her the nickname “Buddha”. Syms actually died on stage, suffering a heart attack at the age of 74.

57 Wrangler competitor : LEE

The Lee company that is famous for making jeans was formed in 1889 by one Henry David Lee in Salina, Kansas.

Wrangler is a manufacturer of jeans headquartered in Greensboro, North Carolina. Wrangler jeans were first made in the mid-1940s and were designed specifically for use by cowboys in rodeos.

58 Orch. section : STR

Many an orchestra (orch.) has a string (str.) section.

Complete List of Clues/Answers

Across

1 Milk duds? : NURSING BRA
11 Fictional group led by a Dark Lord : SITH
15 Setting for some high school experimentation : SCIENCE LAB
16 More than a couple : TRIO
17 Feel elation : FLOAT ON AIR
18 “Who ___ and mends, to God himself commends”: Cervantes : ERRS
19 J.J. or T.J. of the N.F.L. : WATT
20 Mount seen from Reggio Calabria : ETNA
21 Targets of reflexology : FEET
22 Sign of a big hit? : POW!
25 Service accessories : HYMNALS
27 Escape room? : GARAGE
29 Longtime celebrity gossip show : E! NEWS
31 Film ineligible to get an Oscar : MADE-FOR-TV MOVIE
34 Band whose debut album, “Murmur,” was Rolling Stone’s 1983 Album of the Year : REM
35 Top spot, in brief : CEO
36 Move quickly : HIE
37 Snack for a pangolin : ANT
38 Ranch alternative : CAESAR DRESSING
42 Feuding big-time : AT WAR
43 Betting emotionally, in poker slang : ON TILT
44 Guitarist Carlos : SANTANA
47 Syst. in which making an “L” with the thumb and index finger and raising the pinkie means “I love you” : ASL
48 Musical figure in Dungeons & Dragons : BARD
49 Daredevil’s equipment, maybe : RAMP
51 Video game hurdle : BOSS
55 “The Big Lebowski” protagonist, with “the” : … DUDE
56 “This outfit looks ridiculous” : I FEEL SILLY
59 Apt laptop choice for a tennis pro? : ACER
60 Grass-roots marketing group : STREET TEAM
61 Hankerings : YENS
62 Little surprises in computer games, e.g. : EASTER EGGS

Down

1 Link warning : NSFW
2 Alma mater for Jackie Robinson, in brief : UCLA
3 ___ Games, developer behind League of Legends : RIOT
4 Rear guard? : SEAT PAD
5 Ding for a QB : INT
6 Base fig. : NCO
7 Holder of very small blueprints : GENE
8 Go on and on : BLATHER
9 Precipitous? : RAINY
10 ___ Lincoln Harris, early Black economist : ABRAM
11 Italian football coach ___ Pioli : STEFANO
12 “That’s beside the point!” : IRRELEVANT
13 One going out on a limb? : TIRE SWING
14 Whole bunch : HOST
23 One taking a lode off? : ORE CART
24 Crispy confection : WAFER
26 Archenemy : NEMESIS
27 Hunter gatherer? : GAME WARDEN
28 B-worthy : GOOD
30 {T, H, I, S}, in mathematics : SET
31 Ragù, e.g. : MEAT SAUCE
32 Consequently : THEN
33 Grand outlook : VISTA
34 Company acquired by G.E. in 1986 : RCA
39 Independent in Congress beginning in 1991 : SANDERS
40 Nomads : ROAMERS
41 “OK, try me” : I’LL BITE
45 Become apparent : ARISE
46 Pact replaced by the U.S.M.C.A. in 2020 : NAFTA
48 Party time, informally : B-DAY
50 Actress Amanda : PEET
52 Man’s name that becomes a popular toy brand if you move the first letter to the end : OLEG
53 Smeltery waste : SLAG
54 Jazz singer Sylvia : SYMS
57 Wrangler competitor : LEE
58 Orch. section : STR

24 thoughts on “0708-23 NY Times Crossword 8 Jul 23, Saturday”

  1. 21:14, no errors. 12, 21 – what’s the difference? … 😜

    In the upper right, I’d never heard of STEFANO Pioli and I had TREE before TIRE; it took awhile to sort that out. In other areas, I had other problems (most of which I don’t remember), but finally corrected everything and put in that final character. Another “good tussle” … 🙂.

  2. 30:53, no errors. Just happy to finish today. The bottom half went smoothly, struggled with the top half. Initially guessing 1D FORE and 9D STEEP messed me up.

  3. 24:27, with TIRESWING being my NEMESIS. NE quadrant was the last to fall. Same as Bruce, glad to finish.

  4. 18:06. Another instance where the Friday and Saturday puzzles were switched at birth. Then again I was actually awake solving this one.

    I know nothing of reflexology, but I certainly can see the importance of the nerves of the feet. If you’re FEET are warm, cold, relaxed, sore, or whatever, that’s exactly how you feel.

    Furthermore, the nerves of the feet are connected to every part of you, and that’s how we keep our balance regardless of whatever crazy things the rest of our bodies are doing. Your FEET know all.

    Ok – I’m sold. Give me a pair in my size…

    Best –

  5. A Public Service Announcement …

    I just did tomorrow’s NYT puzzle (for 2023/07/09). Its title is “A Thousand Words” and it comes with a message:

    “This puzzle is intended to have picture clues. If you are solving on an app that hasn’t been updated, you might see a description of the missing image file instead of the intended clue. If you aren’t able to update your app, you can solve online or in print to get the full solving experience.”

    This may have implications for those solving the puzzle in syndication.

  6. 56:58 but I spent a good half of that, around 27 min. at least, on four remaining blank squares in the southeast quadrant (as seen on the video link thumbnail at the 31:55 mark).

    I used brute force by cycling through the alphabet for all the possible permutations and combinations, leaving BOSS , I’LL BITE and STREET TEAM for 51D, 41A and 60A as the only answers that made any bit of sense, by process of elimination, but still wasn’t convinced. Unexpectedly got the success pop-up after entering the M in STREET TEAM.

    STREET TEAM seemed too lame a name for a marketing group and I was not familiar with the video game jargon BOSS Bill explained above. … I’ve never heard anyone say “I’LL BITE” in real life.

    The drama is all recorded on the video if you like to watch paint dry, or more like already-dried paint.

  7. Following is a non-emotive objective comment, just to make that clear. It’s a non-moderated blog so I think any observations or opinions are fair game however idiotic they may seem to some readers.

    I wanted to see what the NYT user experience was , so I did an experiment using the mini NYT crossword— it’s free and I’ve never paid to do a crossword. It’s probably the same applet as the regular crossword.

    I see now that the ‘Almost There’ message also gives you the number of wrong squares. There’s a definite advantage to that interface, if one is willing use the help from the ‘Almost there’ screen to claim ‘no errors’.

    This was a totally relevant observation I thought , in reply to @LA but it caused a controversy. All I said yesterday that by my rules of how I play this game, and on the Seattle Times site, it would be GAME OVER at the ‘Almost There’ screen.

    In my view, that screen is just a polite, or politically correct, way of saying, “YOU LOSE/GAME OVER.” They just do not want to offend customers, especially paying customers..

    1. The “almost there” message in the NYT app on my iPad mini does not tell me the number of wrong squares; I suppose it’s possible that one can configure it to do that. In any case, if one inserts the final letter and that message doesn’t show up, the puzzle is done, with no errors. I always try to keep at least one square empty until after I have done a final check for the kind of fat-fingering errors that typing on a small virtual keyboard tends to facilitate.

  8. It may be just the mini that does that then.

    So it should not be controversial to say that “no errors” = success pop-up/jingle after entering a letter in the last blank square and an “almost there pop-up” is by definition = “completed with errors.”

    To me that’s a no-brainer and objective facts. I do not see why defining those terms should enrage people.

    It’s not my effen business what people do, that is not the intent. But I don’t buy into the idea that it’s all subjective and a concept like solving a puzzle with no errors cannot be defined. That’s the point I disagree with, philosophically if you will, and why I make an issue of it.

    I hope that’s my last comment on that topic.

  9. First off, 12:22, no errors today.

    As for the general conversation, some people think they know best and will always oppose you even if you’re just telling your own views just to cause trouble. Is what it is with people, sad to say.

    @Nick
    As to the experiment, the NYT site offers free shots at the regular crosswords if you scroll down to the bottom of the page. Gonna record my own experiment once I settle out the video for the rather unpleasant experience of solving the Saturday LAT.

  10. Experiment. I recorded all the free stuff on the page at the time. Finally got to see a Barry Silk for the first time since I got better at this, and had a blast solving it on top of that.

    That said, the Mini and regular app behaves identically, which says to me it’s the same one (and enrages me still that they took cryptics off their site for “technical reasons”) The message people have been talking about the last two days reads as follows, and is consistent in all cases and on both the Mini and regular:

    So close. The puzzle is filled, but at least one square’s amiss. Fiddlesticks.

    The message is pretty blatant help for solving the puzzle. Anyone that sees it and goes back to “correct things”, or “keep trying” as the app encourages pretty clearly on that message box has received assistance in solving the puzzle correctly. Therefore, they really can’t claim a clean solve with no errors.

    Honesty in talking about solving these things isn’t a big ask. But it seems to be.

    1. And I notice just now that there are variants of that message I quoted. But all have the same idea.

      1. 👍 interesting.
        Not big on the NYT cutesy pop-up messages. I’ll stick with the Seattle Times.

        Quite a demonstration of crossword solving wizardry.

      2. I would observe that “number of wrong squares” and “at least one square amiss” are two different things.

        Searching for the squares that are amiss forces one to examine the puzzle in detail and can be every bit as much a learning experience as doing the puzzle in the first place. Of course, it can also lead to very long solve times, given that the timer continues to run while you’re searching.

        1. This is going to piss some people off but I don’t really give a sh*t. Sue me.

          Since Dave K. posted another response to this thread on Aug. 13 above, I decided to do a little research for fun. If you’re one of the ones who don’t like the topic, no one’s forcing you to read it so feel free to buzz off.

          I went back a month in this blog to compare the errors declared by a NYT user, Dave K. and a Seattle Times user, Glenn.
          I counted 19 days in which both players posted their results.

          Glenn declared at least one error on 7 days, totalling 12 errors in total.

          Dave K. did not directly declare a number of errors on any of the days, but on 3 days, June 16, 22, and 25, his approach was that he declared his time after correcting an error or errors.

          E.g. June 16 “11:51 after fixing a typo.” Or, June 22 “19:24 after fixing an embarrassing final error”

          So Dave’s approach is he does not count his errors once the grid is filled and repor them; he adds the time to fix the errors to his time. That might explain why he has only 3 errors declared to Glenn’s 12, either that or he just may be more anal retentive.

          1. Nick,

            I have reviewed each of the cases you mention and, in each, I had precisely one square wrong when I got the pesky “almost there” message. The one on June 16, which I described as a typo, was precisely that – a square in which an obviously incorrect character had been inserted due to typing on this absurdly small iPad keyboard. The other two, on June 22 and June 25, were also one-square errors that turned up when I got the “almost there” message and, in both cases, I described on the blog, in some detail, exactly what I had done wrong. In all three cases, the timer was running while I searched for the error and I simply reported the final time after correcting it.

            If I had corrected more than one error in any of these cases, I would have said so (“23:14 after finding and fixing three errors”, for example). I very seldom find more than one error.

            I have been doing crossword puzzles for an awful lot longer than Glenn has and I care a lot more about filling in the grid accurately. Glenn has put a lot of his time into discovering strategies for minimizing his solving times, because that’s what he most cares about. He has said that he hates the gimmicky themes being used in modern crosswords and I think that’s because they slow him down. I’m not at all surprised by the differences that you see in our results.

  11. I guess I’m too “old school” for the conversation here as I do the crosswords on paper. I prefer being completely on my own with these: no prompts, no research until after I see the solutions. I guess one day when my local paper goes under, as they all seem to be doing, I’ll add the crossword to my NYT on-line subscription, but I suspect I’ll print it and keep doing it in pen. Or pencil. Or whatever writing instrument I’ll have at hand.

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